[SilverJay]

LIGHT-YEARS BEYOND COLLOIDAL SILVER
Real chemistry… Real performance

Our product, Silver 100™ Ionic Silver Complex with patented Opti-Silver™ (http://www.silver100.com), is vastly superior to any other orally ingested silver product on the market today. It's the result of more than a million dollars in development and is light-years beyond colloidal silver.

According to Donald Baird, Ph.D., chemistry professor at Nova Southeastern University and former director of the Department of Chemistry at Florida Atlantic University:

"To a chemist, Opti-Silver represents a brilliant chemical formulation that results in a far more efficient delivery mechanism for releasing silver ions in the body than has ever existed before."

There’s not a product or a website in the field that can withstand the scrutiny of a chemist – or even a college chemistry student for that matter – like ours can. We are unique. We stand head and shoulders above anyone else in the field and have a site and product you can represent with confidence and pride.

This private program (invitation only) is being launched by the manufacturer. We're seeking a few relationships with high-value affiliates. (It's a two-tier program, so we're also seeking affiliates to earn commissions by signing up high-value affiliates.)

The Introduction and Details to our affiliate program can be seen at:

www.silver100.com/affiliateintro.html (http://www.silver100.com/affiliateintro.html)

An example of the high-quality ads we can provide can be seen at:

www.silver100.com/Light-years02.html (http://www.silver100.com/Light-years02.html)

For information (and we more than welcome advice and introductions, too, if you can kindly help, please), contact me, the president and CEO, directly:

Jay Newman
President & CEO
Invision International Health Solutions
My contact information is included in the Introduction at the link above.
www.silver100.com (http://www.silver100.com)

[writerguy]

Gotta say this: I've seen photos on the Internet and interviews on television in recent years with people ingesting silver who turned into permanently blue people.

Any risks like that with your products?

[SilverJay]

Gotta say this: I've seen photos on the Internet and interviews on television in recent years with people ingesting silver who turned into permanently blue people.

Any risks like that with your products?
It's good we address this right up front.

Normal usage of our product, by just following what's on the label, is as safe as can be. The performance is so far advanced that a tiny bit provides tremendous results.

Actually, this is a perfect opportunity for observers to see, very quickly, how much more advanced we are than anyone in the industry.

Our company is the provider of the public-service site SilverSafety.org, which is home to the Silver Safety Committee, of which I'm the founder and chairman.

The Silver Safety Committee includes some highly credentialed experts.

On the home page of SilverSafety.org is a quote by one of the Committee members, Jeffrey Blumer, M.D., Ph.D., who is the Director of the Center for Drug Research, the world's largest clinical research center for pediatric drugs, and who was formerly director of the Greater Cleveland Poison Control Center:

"Anything in excess has consequences. Common substances like table salt and aspirin are harmless with normal use, but excessive intake can become toxic and even life-threatening. With normal responsible usage, silver supplements are entirely harmless to humans."

Millions of people have used colloidal silver for decades and only a handful have ever managed to use such massively excessive amounts to discolor the skin.

I've been recognized as the leading authority on silver, including silver safety, for over ten years. I've been interviewed on Good Morning America and NBC TV News, for instance, as the leading expert in the field.

I'm also the creator of the Silver Safety Calculation, which instantly enables anyone to determine ultra-safe usage levels of not just our product but any silver product.

The Silver Safety Committee is the creator of the Silver Safety Pyramid, which provides simple safety guidelines for daily, short-term, or lifetime usage of any silver product.

You can see the press release about it on Reuters here:

Silver Safety Pyramid Provides Guidelines for Safe Usage of Any Ionic Silver or Colloidal Silver Supplement (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS138624+08-Jan-2009+PRN20090108)

To learn more, you can go to SilverSafety.org:

www.silversafety.org (http://www.silversafety.org)

Or, of course, you can just see the Safety page on our site: www.silver100.com (http://www.silver100.com)

Jay Newman

[Julian]

"Prolonged exposure to silver dust or to the silver compounds in medicines or supplements can also result in a permanent blue-gray staining of the eyes, nose, mouth, throat and skin. This blue-gray staining is known medically as “argyria.” The condition can make people look ill, as if they suffering from lack of oxygen. Once a person turns blue from argyria, the skin coloring is unfortunately permanent. Most medical professionals believe argyria is the most serious known health effect of silver on humans. Aside from its permanent cosmetic effect, argyria is not believed to pose any other risk to human health."

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/TXQAag.shtml

[Bill]

As Gary mentioned and Julian quoted ... OK, so it looks like there is a bit of "risk." And this product is not approved (nor disapproved) by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA), right?

Here's the BIG question. So, if someone does have a bad reaction and files a lawsuit, does your liability insurance protect a "referring" affiliate who may also be a named defendant in such a suit?

[Julian]

Millions of people have used colloidal silver for decades and only a handful have ever managed to use such massively excessive amounts to discolor the skin.
Jay Newman

Prolonged exposure causes the discoloration, not "massively excessive amounts"

There is a big difference.

[SilverJay]

Please read the information we provide before posting things that are really not authoritative. We quote the U.S. Government's top authorities on oral intake of silver, including the EPA and the ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry). Go read our sites. Then decide what else does or does not seem valid.

As to "prolonged exposure,” that excerpt is out of context. Preceding it in that same article the author writes, “In very high doses — such as those a factory worker might encounter in an accident — or from prolonged exposure…” And later the author writes, "Others who may be exposed to elevated levels of silver..." Clearly the author is referring to “too much” in both cases.

Everyone with scientific understanding or just common sense understands that short-term or long-term ("prolonged") are meaningless concepts unless you also factor in quantity! Think about it. If you have prolonged exposure to a quantity that is below the radar scope for any adverse effects with long-term exposure, then that’s safe. If you have short- or long-term exposure to a quantity that is unsafe for that time period, then that’s unsafe.

Actually, the EPA mainly talks in terms of silver being safe with prolonged use. It has safety guidelines for silver intake in food and water, and those guidelines are explicitly expressed in terms of ongoing daily intake for every day of one’s entire lifetime. Please see their guidelines on our sites. And, of course, we provide links on our sites directly to the EPA's own website.

As we state in the information on our site very clearly -- please read it before posting more on this subject here so as not to confuse others -- the amount of silver in our normal recommended daily usage is less silver than may be in the average person's daily intake of ordinary drinking water that fully meets EPA safety limits for silver concentration.

And, yes, there is silver in your daily drinking water and in your daily food intake. You're already undergoing "prolonged exposure" -- you're consuming it every day of your life as it is -- yet you never worry about it, right?

You don't need to! The EPA makes it explicitly clear that when remaining within responsible usage amounts silver is entirely, unequivocally, 100% harmless even with ongoing daily intake over an entire lifetime -– and this applies to all forms of silver, including the form in our dietary supplement.

Yes, we have insurance. Is it an issue? Not when it's a clearly cut-and-dried fact that it's impossible to have any problem whatsoever when following the label. Again, just read the EPA guideline for daily intake of silver and see how far below it one remains when using our product properly. Nobody can protect someone who uses a thousand times more than the label says, regardless of whether it's silver or table salt or vitamin C (and nobody worries that that person would get anywhere if they tried to sue).

The FDA does not regulate dietary supplements: not silver and not vitamin C.

Now, hopefully we can go on to the next relevant question, which is to ask why leading experts, such as the famous investment banker who funded Microsoft, Dell, AOL and Amazon when they were small, are predicting we may end up making history changing the world of health care with this product from both a financial point of view and a humanitarian point of view.

Or why, even though we've prominently published an unconditional money-back guarantee for years and have sold over a hundred thousand bottles, we have not had one single customer ask for their money back in years. Not one.

I’m hoping we got the extreme questions about safety addressed up front.

Now, let’s see how things evolve as people explore our opportunity who are familiar with the profound benefits of silver, who understand the safety of silver with normal use, and who read our site and see how far superior our product and information are.

[AffiliateHound]

Excuse me, SilverJay, if I've missed something, but no where in this thread do you state what benefits a person may derive from ingesting your product, except, of course, if they are really fond of blue.

[SilverJay]

To make off-hand remarks about silver safety with no facts at all is just ridiculous. It was my understanding this board was for serious, sophisticated business-people with integrity. If there are any such people here reading, we should be sharing a dialog.

I respectfully request that anyone posting off-the-cuff challenges to our positions present their scientific credentials -- whether it be medical credentials, Ph.D. degrees, or at least having been janitor at the local water treatment plant -- before posting things that just cheapen the integrity of this forum and do no one any service at all.

Experience in affiliate marketing is obviously not, in and of itself, a sufficient basis for discarding the collective input of the director of the world's largest clinical research center for pediatric drugs, of the director of a major poison control center, of a chemistry professor who was director of the Department of Chemistry of the University of Miami, of an M.D. who is the director of the Institute of Advanced Medicine, of another chemistry professor who was director of the Department of Chemistry at Florida Atlantic University, of a professor of molecular biochemistry at Case Western Reserve University... of the CEO of a publically traded DNA testing company... of the former V.P.s of two multi-national pharmaceutical companies…

Those are the credentials of just some of the members of our Board of Advisors and of the Silver Safety Committee.

They and the EPA all unanimously make it emphatically clear silver is completely harmless with normal responsible use.

I realize there’s a nice sensationalistic shock value in seeing a man with blue skin on Oprah or in pictures on the Internet. If you read, however, you will see he’s the first to say he was alone to blame and did that to himself by irresponsibly drinking a home-made brew by the glassful every day for years.

A year or two ago, a college student died from an initiation ritual in which he drank too much water in too short of a time. This is a true fact. He guzzled gallons of water and he died. Does that mean we start warning people not to drink water or we worry that water is dangerous? Of course not. We’re intelligent adults who understand the difference between normal and stupid.

Silver has been used for its health benefits for a hundred years by millions of people. Do a quick Google search on “colloidal silver benefits” or “colloidal silver testimonials” and you’ll find literally thousands of remarkable reports.

I'm here to help people. I've dedicated my life to helping people in health. Not one person has ever had a problem with using our product, after more than ten years in business. We have an endless stream of people thanking us. I’ve done more to educate the public about how to stay safe using silver than any person on the planet. I am the wrong one for someone who knows nothing at all to be taking shots at.

For me, personally, I decided long ago I couldn't just make money to count the numbers. I felt I had to contribute something to improving people's lives. Then my money is well earned. That's my personal disposition. Not everyone has that make-up. Some can sell anything if it will make them money. I have to feel I'm helping people. And most of the people we work with are the same.

By the way, we are not in the business of talking about diseases or selling a product to cure diseases. That’s for the drug companies. We’re in the business of helping people with a top-shelf natural product. The vast majority of customers and of doctors who use it say it does far more than most drugs do -- and it's infinitely safer!

For those of you who already know what silver does and who want to find a company with real integrity, you found us. If that’s not already clear, read our websites. Then decide.

P.S. For those of you readers who are fully aware of the virtues of what we’re offering and are saying, please feel free to chime in.

Jay Newman

[AffiliateHound]

Sorry, SJ, but you are way off base here.

When you submit your program to the membership looking for affiliates to promote your program, you are opening it up to full disclosure regarding the products involved, methods of operation, the efficacy of the merchant, the design of the website, the reliability of your cart and of tracking, the existence of leaks, and everything else that would either support joining your program, or influence potential affiliates to run away screaming.

And you didn't answer my question.

add: Oh, and I have a healthy living website.

[VampireSkunk]

I've looked at your website and I am confused.

I get that your product is much more efficient at delivering ionic sliver to the body than other products, such as colloidal silver.

Lots of information about how the chemistry works.

You speak mysteriously about your product delivering health benefits.

Why can't I find anything on your website about what the health benefits are?

Can you tell us what the health benefits are?

[SilverJay]

I fully appreciate what you’re asking. And I welcome scrutiny and legitimate due diligence as much as it can be accomplished. The more, the better. That's the only right way to do business. I'm prepared to answer any and all questions (so far I have been doing a pretty patient and through job of it, I think).

As to what the product does, well, that’s a humongous question. You’d think it would be simple to answer but it’s not. Let me explain.

Most people who are into natural health, and who shop at the health food store when they're sick instead of getting drugs at the pharmacy, are all too familiar with the FDA laws that prohibit any company from so much as hinting in their marketing that their product might help a "disease" unless they first spend a few hundred million dollars for FDA “drug” approval, which is “permission" to "inform" the public about the benefits.

FDA drug approval is not about permission to sell what's in the bottle. It's about removing the censorship that legally prohibits companies from publicizing any information that so much as suggests that it might help with a disease.

That's the reason we don't talk about potential benefits that our product might provide. Believe me, I would love to be able to talk candidly. There would be much to say! The product is legally classified as a “dietary supplement” and the law prohibits marketing it for any disease uses. We can only talk about the chemistry.

If any company were to list a bunch of benefits like, oh, say, preventing or treating a broad range of infectious disease conditions for example, in the marketing of their “dietary supplement” product, they could get in a lot of trouble. It doesn’t matter if it was true. It matters that the pharmaceutical companies have a monopoly. They only justify the hundreds of millions in expense for drug approval when they have a patent and can control the pricing, and usually they only get patents because they create compounds in the lab that nature has never seen before.

We’re pretty unique in having a natural product that “potentially” has profound benefits, that is sold as a “dietary supplement,” and yet that requires a specific molecular structure to unleash the potential – which enabled us to get a powerful patent. That patent enables us to do a clinical study for a fraction of the cost of drug approval, since the product is just a natural mineral that’s known to be safe and is on the market.

(We actually do have a huge clinical study lined up at the world's largest clinical research center for pediatric drugs. We still can’t use the results in advertising, but, well, watch for our patented technology in the news in the coming two years or so. I mean headline news... for months. Indeed, they say we stand to do more for the greening of the pharmaceutical industry than anyone. But that’s two years away.)

In the meanwhile, well, there’s a huge market for what we sell, but I should have realized – and now you’re making me very much realize – that the reality is we’re limited to the segment of the market that is into natural health and that already knows the health benefits of silver. For those people, seeing the superiority of our product by reading our website is an instant “conversion” in the vast majority of cases.

And I can promise you silver is one of the most well-known categories there are when you deal with the huge segment of the population that is into natural healing. Colloidal silver is extremely well-known amongst that natural health community. What we offer is infinitely more advanced chemistry that provides far superior performance, as well far more informative and legitimate promotional materials, a powerful patent, a highly credentialed team… and the most authoritative, reliable and understandable guidelines for the safe use of silver of anybody in the field.

I can assure you of one thing: for a website or list owner that does cater to the natural health consumer, they can achieve a great deal of results with ads or, better yet, with editorial coverage, that strictly talks about our technological superiority. Many or most existing colloidal silver users will convert to us!

What will work for our product is targeting the natural-health user base, in whatever way they can be reached. That means websites and newsletters that already have that kind of an audience. I assume there are many such sites and newsletters/lists, though I have no idea how many are out there.

One idea I had was to sign up some people who are good at “finding” sites that have high-volume traffic or high-subscription newsletters that focus on a given market segment. Then, we sign those people up as affiliates and they go find and sign up those high-value affiliates under them and automatically earn the SaS Tier-2 commissions. (SaS says this is a great idea.)

That’s partly what I had in mind when I created what I believe is a pretty advanced and yet very clean, clear, user-friendly affiliate program and support system.

In that realm, I think you’ll be really impressed with everything you scrutinize, from the information we provide regarding our affiliate program structure and how to implement it (a clear Introduction (http://www.silver100.com/affiliateintro.html), a clear and informative set of Details (http://www.silver100.com/affiliatedetails.html), a step-by-step Set-up (http://www.silver100.com/affiliatesetup.html) guide we created to walk them right through the SaS sign-up screens, Suggestions (http://www.silver100.com/affiliatesuggestions.html) for various ways to approach editorial text stories, and total support for customizing professional ads (http://www.silver100.com/Light-years02.html) or banners to their specs), to our shopping cart and the customer support features we provide (including optional user registration, shipping choices with customized rates, ability to log in and check our internal processing status after placing an order, and email notification upon shipment that includes the tracking number)… making most of the guidelines available as web pages or as PDFs… etc.

Well, so, here we are. Seems we’ve come a long way. I appreciate the time spent reading my long posts and giving me the benefit of the doubt enough to carry on a dialog in order to flush out what you and other members may determine to be legitimate (or not).

At this point, I’m all ears to hear any suggestions or comments.

It seems to me the main issue is whether the fact that we’re inherently addressing the natural health user limits us too much to be viable for members here, or if it’s a viable market for us to address. (Keep in mind that within the natural health community, which is a general term of course that refers to a huge segment of the population, they’re used to not hearing about disease benefits per se. And keep in mind that a multi-billion-dollar nutritional supplement or natural health industry thrives even with those limits on claims.)

After reviewing our materials, I’m very anxious to hear comments.

And, of course, to the extent we agree that we have something powerful to work with here, how do we go about exploring and pursuing working relationships?

Thanks!

Jay
www.silver100.com (http://www.silver100.com)

[BurgerBoy]

I fully appreciate what you’re asking. And I welcome scrutiny and legitimate due diligence as much as it can be accomplished. The more, the better. That's the only right way to do business. I'm prepared to answer any and all questions (so far I have been doing a pretty patient and through job of it, I think).

As to what the product does, well, that’s a humongous question. You’d think it would be simple to answer but it’s not. Let me explain.

Most people who are into natural health, and who shop at the health food store when they're sick instead of getting drugs at the pharmacy, are all too familiar with the FDA laws that prohibit any company from so much as hinting in their marketing that their product might help a "disease" unless they first spend a few hundred million dollars for FDA “drug” approval, which is “permission" to "inform" the public about the benefits.

FDA drug approval is not about permission to sell what's in the bottle. It's about removing the censorship that legally prohibits companies from publicizing any information that so much as suggests that it might help with a disease.

That's the reason we don't talk about potential benefits that our product might provide. Believe me, I would love to be able to talk candidly. There would be much to say! The product is legally classified as a “dietary supplement” and the law prohibits marketing it for any disease uses. We can only talk about the chemistry.

If any company were to list a bunch of benefits like, oh, say, preventing or treating a broad range of infectious disease conditions for example, in the marketing of their “dietary supplement” product, they could get in a lot of trouble. It doesn’t matter if it was true. It matters that the pharmaceutical companies have a monopoly. They only justify the hundreds of millions in expense for drug approval when they have a patent and can control the pricing, and usually they only get patents because they create compounds in the lab that nature has never seen before.

We’re pretty unique in having a natural product that “potentially” has profound benefits, that is sold as a “dietary supplement,” and yet that requires a specific molecular structure to unleash the potential – which enabled us to get a powerful patent. That patent enables us to do a clinical study for a fraction of the cost of drug approval, since the product is just a natural mineral that’s known to be safe and is on the market.

(We actually do have a huge clinical study lined up at the world's largest clinical research center for pediatric drugs. We still can’t use the results in advertising, but, well, watch for our patented technology in the news in the coming two years or so. I mean headline news... for months. Indeed, they say we stand to do more for the greening of the pharmaceutical industry than anyone. But that’s two years away.)

In the meanwhile, well, there’s a huge market for what we sell, but I should have realized – and now you’re making me very much realize – that the reality is we’re limited to the segment of the market that is into natural health and that already knows the health benefits of silver. For those people, seeing the superiority of our product by reading our website is an instant “conversion” in the vast majority of cases.

And I can promise you silver is one of the most well-known categories there are when you deal with the huge segment of the population that is into natural healing. Colloidal silver is extremely well-known amongst that natural health community. What we offer is infinitely more advanced chemistry that provides far superior performance, as well far more informative and legitimate promotional materials, a powerful patent, a highly credentialed team… and the most authoritative, reliable and understandable guidelines for the safe use of silver of anybody in the field.

I can assure you of one thing: for a website or list owner that does cater to the natural health consumer, they can achieve a great deal of results with ads or, better yet, with editorial coverage, that strictly talks about our technological superiority. Many or most existing colloidal silver users will convert to us!

What will work for our product is targeting the natural-health user base, in whatever way they can be reached. That means websites and newsletters that already have that kind of an audience. I assume there are many such sites and newsletters/lists, though I have no idea how many are out there.

One idea I had was to sign up some people who are good at “finding” sites that have high-volume traffic or high-subscription newsletters that focus on a given market segment. Then, we sign those people up as affiliates and they go find and sign up those high-value affiliates under them and automatically earn the SaS Tier-2 commissions. (SaS says this is a great idea.)

That’s partly what I had in mind when I created what I believe is a pretty advanced and yet very clean, clear, user-friendly affiliate program and support system.

In that realm, I think you’ll be really impressed with everything you scrutinize, from the information we provide regarding our affiliate program structure and how to implement it (a clear Introduction (http://www.silver100.com/affiliateintro.html), a clear and informative set of Details (http://www.silver100.com/affiliatedetails.html), a step-by-step Set-up (http://www.silver100.com/affiliatesetup.html) guide we created to walk them right through the SaS sign-up screens, Suggestions (http://www.silver100.com/affiliatesuggestions.html) for various ways to approach editorial text stories, and total support for customizing professional ads (http://www.silver100.com/Light-years02.html) or banners to their specs), to our shopping cart and the customer support features we provide (including optional user registration, shipping choices with customized rates, ability to log in and check our internal processing status after placing an order, and email notification upon shipment that includes the tracking number)… making most of the guidelines available as web pages or as PDFs… etc.

Well, so, here we are. Seems we’ve come a long way. I appreciate the time spent reading my long posts and giving me the benefit of the doubt enough to carry on a dialog in order to flush out what you and other members may determine to be legitimate (or not).

At this point, I’m all ears to hear any suggestions or comments.

It seems to me the main issue is whether the fact that we’re inherently addressing the natural health user limits us too much to be viable for members here, or if it’s a viable market for us to address. (Keep in mind that within the natural health community, which is a general term of course that refers to a huge segment of the population, they’re used to not hearing about disease benefits per se. And keep in mind that a multi-billion-dollar nutritional supplement or natural health industry thrives even with those limits on claims.)

After reviewing our materials, I’m very anxious to hear comments.

And, of course, to the extent we agree that we have something powerful to work with here, how do we go about exploring and pursuing working relationships?

Thanks!

Jay
www.silver100.com (http://www.silver100.com)

Boy - this post really sounds like a snake oil salesman.

You never did answer the question - what are the health benefits? - other than turning grey-blue from taking it.

I'm quite a Bull Schitter myself sometimes - but care on - I like to listen to an expert Bull Schitter sometimes to try to improve on my BS lines that I use.

[AffiliateHound]

Double-Secret Probation

[SilverJay]

Somebody please tell me this is not indicative of the mentality level of most members at this forum.

[Julian]

Somebody please tell me this is not indicative of the mentality level of most members at this forum.

Insulting the members of this forum is hardly the way to get people to promote your program.

[Rexanne]

Somebody please tell me this is not indicative of the mentality level of most members at this forum.

Silverjay,

My father is a holistic doctor - not everyone here is anti-holistic, just anti bullshit. You'll have to answer their questions and address their concerns if you're looking for the best of the best to sell your products.

[VampireSkunk]

Steady on guys - I appreciate the detailed response. I kind of guessed it would be legal constraints that prevent you mentioning specific health benefits. It's all new to me and a quick search on the internet throws up lots of info. I was completely unaware of the anti-bacterial qualities of silver. And it makes sense that people already aware of the health benefits of silver will be converted by the superior chemistry. So your marketing plan seems pretty sound. Unfortunately I don't have the kind of traffic you're looking for.

I'm interested in purchasing myself - is it available in the UK?

[AffiliateHound]

Somebody please tell me this is not indicative of the mentality level of most members at this forum.I think you opened an avenue you may not enjoy navigating.
From Quackwatch - Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html):
In October 1996, the FDA proposed to ban the use of colloidal silver or silver salts in over-the-counter products [11]. A Final Rule banning such use was issued on August 17, 1999 and became effective September 16th. The rule applies to any nonprescription colloidal silver or silver salt product claimed to be effective in preventing or treating any disease [12]. Silver products can still be sold as "dietary supplements" provided that no health claims are made for them. During 2000, the FDA issued warnings to more than 20 companies whose Web sites were making illegal therapeutic claims for colloidal silver products...
...
In 2002, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration amended its rules so that water-treatment products containing substances like colloidal silver for which therapeutic claims are made must meet the requirements of medicines included in the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods. This means that such products can no longer be legally marketed without proof that they are safe and effective for their intended purpose. The amendment was based on clnclusions that:
* There is little evidence to support therapeutic claims made for colloidal silver products;
* The risk to consumers of silver toxicity outweighs the value of trying an unsubstantiated treatment, and bacterial resistance to silver can occur
* Efforts should be made to curb the illegal availability of colloidal silver products, which is a significant public health issue [16]. From the National Institutes of Health's National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (the Federal Government's lead agency for scientific research on the diverse medical and health care systems, practices, and products that are not generally considered part of conventional medicine) Colloidal Silver Products (http://nccam.nih.gov/health/silver/):
3. Do colloidal silver products work?
Reviews in the scientific literature on colloidal silver products have concluded that:
* Silver has no known function in the body.
* Silver is not an essential mineral supplement or a cure-all and should not be promoted as such.
* Claims that there can be a "deficiency" of silver in the body and that such a deficiency can lead to disease are unfounded.
* Claims made about the effectiveness of colloidal silver products for numerous diseases are unsupported scientifically.
* Colloidal silver products can have serious side effects (discussed further below).
* Laboratory analysis has shown that the amounts of silver in supplements vary greatly, which can pose risks to the consumer.One more intersting article: The Colloidal Silver (CS) Dietary Supplement Lie (http://www.gomestic.com/Consumer-Information/The-Colloidal-Silver-CS-Dietary-Supplement-Lie.525723)

I will just add that I have dealt on both a personal and professional level with large numbers of health care professionals for many, many years, and have a well documented record of questioning the competency, motivation, and honesty of many in the mainstream medical field, but I also question non-establishment alternatives, perhaps to an even greater extent.

[SilverJay]

Insulting the members of this forum is hardly the way to get people to promote your program.
There was no insult intended there at all.

"Mentality" refers to one's "point of view," one's "attitude" towards things. (It doesn't refer to one's intelligence.)

In no way was that meant to be an insult. Replace "mentality" with "point of view" and that's what I was saying, which obviously is not meant to be an insult.

Jay

[SilverJay]

Silverjay,

My father is a holistic doctor - not everyone here is anti-holistic, just anti bullshit. You'll have to answer their questions and address their concerns if you're looking for the best of the best to sell your products.
Thanks so much, Rexanne. It's been an interesting experience thus far. :)

Jay

[SilverJay]

Steady on guys - I appreciate the detailed response. I kind of guessed it would be legal constraints that prevent you mentioning specific health benefits. It's all new to me and a quick search on the internet throws up lots of info. I was completely unaware of the anti-bacterial qualities of silver. And it makes sense that people already aware of the health benefits of silver will be converted by the superior chemistry. So your marketing plan seems pretty sound. Unfortunately I don't have the kind of traffic you're looking for.

I'm interested in purchasing myself - is it available in the UK?
Hi VampireSkunk,

Thank you for these comments.

Well, it was your succinct inquiry that inspired me to respond in kind.

As to availability in the UK, I could contact a distributor in Switzerland or Holland, but maybe it's more practical if we do a trade: you reimburse me for shipping and give me a tiny bit of offline advice and I'll send you half a dozen bottles at no charge (I promise you'll want a few for yourself and loved ones).

You have my offline contact info.

[knight01]

I was completely unaware of the anti-bacterial qualities of silver.

Interestingly, that statement flashed in my memory. I'm pretty sure it is Samsung that has produced a clothes washer that uses silver as a anti-bacterial agent for cold water use.

Instead of heating the water to 160+ degrees fahrenheit to sanitize your laundry, which kills bacteria that could be spread through the family, it simply runs the water over a small silver bar that releases silver ions into the wash. I don't completely understand how or why it works, but according to them it does and is more environmentally friendly than using an inline water heater to raise the water temperature.

Don't recall the model offhand, but it's been around for a couple years.

(sorry, I know this isn't the topic of the thread and is not the same as the product being promoted. I just had it pop into my head and thought would share it so others can research that use for silver as well)

[SilverJay]

I think you opened an avenue you may not enjoy navigating.
Well, it's definitely interesting to be dealing with people who are very stuck in one-sided viewpoints, but I enjoy the heck out of having countless doctors and end-users tell me how our product did wonders for them and their loved ones and that we probably have the most important health product of our time.

Forgive me, but if you want to do genuine research you may want to search the issue from all sides, not just those that support a very narrow, preconceived view. Can you in all honesty say you ever took my advice and did a search on "colloidal silver benefits" and "colloidal silver testimonials" and, if so, did you not have to weed out 98% of what the returns were in order to pick what you did?

By the way, the first reference you chose, QuackWatch, is about the most unreliable source on the entire Internet. It's run by a guy who used to run a hair removal service out of his basement, who has been thrown out of more courtrooms for being a false "expert witness" than anyone in history. They have one agenda: bad-mouth everything that's not mainstream medicine, whether it be vitamins or chiropractors or you name it. To learn about the fiasco that is QuackWatch, check out QuackPotWatch (http://www.quackpotwatch.org/).

To enlighten you further, I'm well aware of the 1999 FDA Rule. I know the woman at the FDA who wrote it, Roma Egly. The rule essentially says one thing only, which is that none of these products have yet gone through the three-hundred-million-dollar hoops that would be required for them to be allowed to advertised for disease use, which would legally classify them as a "drug" -- where that "censorship" comes in again until you jump through the massive hoops for "permission" to share information.

The entire document that is the 1999 FDA Rule can be seen here (http://www.silver100.com/FDA1999Rule.pdf) if you're interested. (Note that the text we highlighted in it was done years ago -- we're quite on top of things in our field, thank you.)

Actually, that is a great place to prove some of the benefits of colloidal silver.

Here are some other chunks of text from that same 1999 FDA Rule:

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"At the end of the study, four men (all on the colloidal silver) reported considerable improvement... while six other men (five on the colloidal silver) noted some improvement..."

"one man who reported improvement on placebo reported marked improvement on the colloidal silver"

"Of the remaining 21 men, 16 reported improvement of varying degrees."

"The physician concluded that the results of this study merit further investigation by the medical community."

"The physician also commented on some other observations from about 50 men who had taken colloidal silver (most for symptoms of prostatism) under his direction before, during, and after the study (a period of about 6 months). Six noted clearing of acne or other infectious lesions of the skin, three reported improvement of mucus in the throat and associated cough of long duration, two indicated that irritation around the anus had cleared, one stated that he had no summer colds for 3 months (which was unusual for him), eight reported improvement in nasal discharge and sinus trouble (especially when using colloidal silver in a nasal spray), two noted a reduction in upset stomach and abdominal pain, and two reported that their sexual enjoyment and performance had improved. The physician concluded that these observations suggested some areas that needed to be investigated further."

"The agency finds that the previous studies are not adequate and well-controlled clinical studies of the type described in Sec. 314.126 (21 CFR 314.126) that need to be conducted."

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If you read the entire Rule with an educated eye (educated in the field, that is), three things become very obvious:

1. The only reason the Rule had to be written in the first place was because many colloidal silver companies had been claiming that their products were "grandfathered in" as drugs, meaning they could advertise disease benefits without any drug approval procedures. The reason they invoked the "grandfather clause" was that, prior to 1938, when the law banning free speech about disease benefits (that's even how they describe it) was created it said that products sold with such claims prior to 1938 could still be sold that way: "grandfathered in." Well, prior to 1938, colloidal silver was the number one antimicrobial product made and sold by the major pharmaceutical companies. That's right. You read that correctly. There were studies in Lancet and the British Journal of Medicine attesting to the efficacy. It was the lack of patent "monopoly" that shifted focus at that time to synthetic antibiotics. Anyway, the 1999 Rule simply clarified that no modern-day colloidal silver products meet grandfather requirements (same manufacturer, same location, same label, same everything) and therefore they cannot be sold with "disease" claims -- which is the legal step that makes something a "drug" -- unless they comply with all the massive detail hoops that the FDA put in place before drug approval can occur.

2. Many reports in that Rule relate to doctors having done studies showing remarkable results in most cases using colloidal silver to fight a variety of types of infections.

3. The key thrust of the Rule is the use of the words "drug" and "OTC drug" -- not allowed to be sold with claims that it can help a "disease" -- and, essentially, "not adequate studies yet" and "more detailed formalities are needed to reach the bar for drug approval," and that until that happens there is not "sufficient scientific data" to meet the bar for having FDA drug approval yet.

Thus, the bottom line of the Rule was that the products can't be "advertised" for helping a disease or they will be classified as unapproved "drugs" -- which is legally a function of the advertising, not what's in the bottle.

If you sold water and advertised that it may help an ulcer, it would be legally classified as a misbranded, unapproved "drug" and would be banned due to being "unproven as safe and effective" for the given disease, since it had not been taken through the hoops yet, and they'd state there was "insufficient scientific data" to justify making those disease claims.

Are you starting to see how this all works?

Shall we continue?

A lower-level staff person at the NIH then "paraphrases" that language from the FDA Rule to instead say "unsupported scientifically" when all that really means is that nobody has yet spent three hundred million dollars to jump through all the hoops need for drug approval, which is the only time they certify that a product has indeed been "proven safe and effective" for the given disease. Until then, there is "insufficient scientific data" to be legally given that status.

One thing that is pervasive through all of the Rule is that no significant scientific data has ever shown colloidal silver to NOT be extremely effective!

They're just saying no massive humongous astronomical studies have been done by anyone yet, and until then, "there's insufficient data" to confirm whether it's "safe and effective."

Now, for irresponsible people to then twist that by saying something like "the FDA says it's not safe or effective" is just absurd, don't you think? But some people are so determined to see things one way that they really do that!

Not to say you would, of course.

And as to TAG in Australia, please. I can't sit here and type all night, but they're the laughing stock of the globe when it comes to honesty or integrity in how they deal with the natural health industry. They made worldwide headlines for years over a massive raid and shutdown of the biggest nutritional supplement company in Australia and ended up being sued for it and they lost miserably. They're an arm of the pharmaceutical industry and do anything to go against natural remedies. So much for their misinformation.

Can I go now?

Jay Newman

[AffiliateHound]

So, everyone who disagrees with you and the marketing of your untested product is either "unreliable", has insufficient data, is a "laughing stock", or has a questionable "mentality level". {Pot calling the kettle black.}

Well, Stephen Barrett, MD, (graduate of the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, 1957, and who practiced medicine for decades and who also was on the faculty at Penn St. University) who operates the Award-winning Quackwatch, and co-founded the National Council Against Health Fraud, must really scare you, for you to make such allegations against him. Of course he has legions of enemies in and out of the medical profession, for his work in exposing health care frauds over more than 20 years.