[Jorge - JRami]

"Looking forward to the future" Quote was inspired by Katherine Romero, Deckers Outdoor Affiliate Manager. Thank you Katherine for your stance and for your success in helping deckers.com become an admired ethical affiliate program.

The future "is" bright for affiliate marketing and it's up to others also to take a stand and look forward to the future away from parasitic companies. I wonder what will be accomplished when others show they care too and listen to their affiliate partners.

We want to thank, support and promote merchants and others with priority that have taken a strong stance against parasitic companies and are willing to show their stance equally with the affiliate community through www.quality-affiliates.com (http://www.quality-affiliates.com/)

Everyone is welcomed to thank others here for their stance at any time.

http://forum.abestweb.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Trust]

The merchants you have listed aren't parasite free.

[Trust]

Also under consultants you have GSI. Their merchants have all kinds of parasites.

[Zeus]

Jorge,
http://directbuy.biz is using 180zango to advertise eBags.com

[Trust]

Also you have on your site:
Beware: considered adware/spyware: 180Solutiuons, BonziBuddy, E2Give, Ebates, GAIN, HuntBar, SaveNow, WhenU, WurldMedia, Xupiter

Then right below you have merchants listed that can be found on those sites.

Also some of that stuff might be outdated. Xupter no longer exists:
http://www.xupiter.com/
There's a thread about how some teens handled them at ABW. Not sure if they're still on machines doing anything or not. WurldMedia, not sure about that either. I know that they used to do some bad stuff, i think they cleaned up their act, but i don't know for sure, Haiko, BLFH or Ben might know more about that.

GSI, just have to read the forum or check those same sites. I think they have 1 sporting goods merchant that is clean that they're doing a "test run" for. All the rest of them have parasites.

[UncleScooter]

Shoedini is not parasite free. They are on Ebates and others.

[Jorge - JRami]

Thanks Trust,
Also under consultants you have GSI. Their merchants have all kinds of parasites.
I will ask them which merchants are parasite free and allow a reasonable time to respond or be removed.

The merchants you have listed aren't parasite free. Which ones specific?

The merchants listed have emailed me strong opposition to parasites. I cannot police alone the sincerity of merchants or those that claim to be opposed to parasites and perhaps suggested on planning an anti-parasite policy, but truly are not or will not in the near future. I welcome ethical managers, ethical affiliates and others here like Haiko, Kellie and Ben to help prove the sincerity of such opposition.

I strongly agree and suggest to anyone at any time, if there is anyone listed or mentioned that is not "parasite free" and enough credible affiliates and others suggest they be removed, then they will. This is an affiliate community effort and we should of course work on this together and not meant as to whom I might think is "parasite free" or not.

Thanks again.

[Jorge - JRami]

Thanks scohaz,

Shoedini is not parasite free. They are on Ebates and others.

I will ask them and allow a reasonable time to respond or be removed.

Keep them coming!

Believe it or not it's what I want to read and hear. Everyone helps me to discern the truth and I will help you.

[Trust]

Jorge, you just have to take some time and visit who you consider parasites and you'll find those merchants listed.

Took me a few seconds to find:
http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=6801

That's the one. And you still might need to check to see if that's actually the case.

[Kellie aka Ms. B]

Jorge,

Send me over a time that's good for you and I'll give you a call (was going to type some stuff here but decided it was too much typing). Also, I got your email and can answer that via phone also.

[Jorge - JRami]

Trust,

I did peak with Matt through email a few weeks ago, sounded like a great guy and was very opposed to parasites. I think he suggested he would talk with others at his office about their merchants not being with parasites. I will confirm with him again.

[Jorge - JRami]

Kellie,

Any time.

[Kellie aka Ms. B]

Just tried the number in your sig and got no answer. :)

[Jorge - JRami]

Sorry I missed you Kellie, I had to go out for a minute. Called you around 8pm, 2 times, left you 1 message?

Your turn again. welcome:

[Jorge - JRami]

Also some of that stuff might be outdated. Xupter no longer exists
Right, they were so bad I still had them on my worse of the worse list.

From their website a while back:
We regret to inform you that the Xupiter.com service
has officially closed and has been discontinued.

xupiter's founder was Daniel Yomtobian.

Guess no need to mention them any longer. Removed.


WurldMedia, not sure about that either. I know that they used to do some bad stuff

WurldMedia website still in business.
"Peer Impact is a revolutionary digital media distribution platform, released in its beta phase during the first quarter of 2005" "BuyersPort is our commercial online marketplace consisting of more than 500 of the Internet's top retailers.

Not sure if they cleaned up their act either.

[Jorge - JRami]

Update:

Those in question so far: eBags, shoedini, and GSI have been notified about their current or future affiliation with ebates, 180, ect.

Personal Note:

Some here may have wondered why I posted these companies without even looking to see if they were with ebates, etc. I did know some where still showing, and other merchants that I have not mentioned yet have suggested that they are no longer assoicated with ebates, 180, etc, but they are not sure why they still show on their list. I also want to give the final benefit, since some have expressed their interest in being parasite free.

I am also their affiliate, and my goal is to try and cause a positive change for these programs not only for myself but for all other affiliates. It makes more sense for me to try and show my own merchant partners to look foward to the future and give those I personally associate with, time to become parasite free, for the benefit of all of us.

Those that choose to ignore me and the affiliate community or basically do nothing and not respond by participating as a group to support a parasite free stance as a solution, should have no where else to look, when there is no "change".

It's up to you to cause change!

Question?

I know some have suggested that if you are only with ebates as "coupon only" and not included with packaging of the software, then you are not parasitic. My question as of today 4-6-05, is this still true, do affiliates and merchants still consider "coupon only" as ok to associate with a parasitic company.

If anyone, merchant or affiliate replies that you agree that they are ok as long as they are "coupon only", Then here is my reply in advance to those that will say it's ok.

I will always disagree with anyone associated with ebates or any other parasitic company that has been proven by affiliates and others that they are still causing a negative effect on the affiliate community. It's like you are associating yourself with a parasite company and making them and your company money even though they might not be affecting you directly but you, as a company, know they might perhaps be affecting others in the affiliate community in a negative way, but you don't care about the others just as long as you are making money and being advertised by them.

No Deals.

http://directbuy.biz is using 180zango to advertise eBags.com
eBags says they have removed 180 from their program months ago. Perhaps Ben, Kellie or others can further investigate.

[Zeus]

eBags says they have removed 180 from their program months ago.
They may have removed 180, BUT, it doesn't prevent an affiliate to use 180 technology to advertise eBags or others (see OS) the same way 180 was doing. 180 is selling their solutions to anybody paying them.
Read Ben and Kellie threads. 180 had 2 IDs with Linkshare but Ben was able to spot more than 80 LS IDs. These other IDs belong to people advertising with 180. So getting rid of 180 is not enough. They need to deactivate all affiliates using 180. Same for CJ.

[Trust]

It's going to come off like i'm trying to flame you and i'm not but:

"Some here may have wondered why I posted these companies without even looking to see if they were with ebates, etc."

Maybe you shouldn't post that stuff on your site until you're actually sure and have done the homework, there is enough misinformation out there. There are plenty of programs/affiliates/consultants that you can use instead that are clean and have taken affiliate friendly stances.

[Jorge - JRami]

It's going to come off like i'm trying to flame you and i'm not but: Don't worry Trust, appreciate your help.

there is enough misinformation out there Understand. On the advice of those that emailed me, called me and yourself. I decided from now on I will add *** red stars to any company that was added as "opposed to parasites", but then later found not to be the case. It's bound to happen where a few months down the road, a non-parasitic company turned parasitic, so without just removing them out of the blue, I will allow them few days to respond and/or remove their parasites.

It's hard to keep up with who is parasite free or not based on everyones standards and criteria as to what others consider parasitic, such as an example, some may consider a "coupon only" affiliate non parasitic.

[M_Diddy]

Katherine has to be one of the best affiliate managers out there, and trust me...I deal with many.

She definately is my fav...

Diddy