Cuil, pronounced "cool"

Cuil, pronounced "Fail".

Sites like this need to have basic functionality when they go online, first impression and all...

I did a search last night, on a fairly common shopping term. 2nd result tried to download a virus.

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Always good to hear about a new SE, 'cause you just never know...

Nobody paid any attention to Google until they bumped Inktomi from the Yahoo search results contract. That's when SEOs started scrambling. Now Yahoo's second fiddle and who remembers HotBot?

Google isn't going anywhere any time soon, but it's still nice to see new faces and new plays. It keeps things interesting. I'd hate to see Google be the last great search engine company. How boring would that be...?

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Well how about sharing that info with the rest of us Coley? LOL

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Oh, I think we can give Cuil a break. The first yahoo and google pages were not works of art either. Gang, it takes time for bugs to be worked out and refinements to be made. But we (especially the ppc crowd) should welcome another potential player to the game. Competition is a good thing, developing a good engine takes time, and G is ripe for some competition, as Starbucks found out in a market they have saturated. I would be inclined to think that Cuil will make some good headway in the years to come, but it is not perfect from the start, nothing ever is.

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Personally, I like this from cuil's privacy statement:



"Privacy is a hot topic these days, and we want you to feel totally comfortable using our service, so our privacy policy is very simple: when you search with Cuil, we do not collect any personally identifiable information, period. We have no idea who sends queries: not by name, not by IP address, and not by cookies (more on this later). Your search history is your business, not ours."

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When I search for my keywords, I see my pictures from my website come up next to the search results. These are my unique copyrighted pics that I took myself. I wouldn't mind if my website came up in the serp next to the pic but it's a totally different site. Some wikipedia serps too. To me that is total misrepresentation and they are just pulling random pictures in without permission

Just got my first visitor referred through Cuil.

I'm always glad to see someone shaking things up in the SE space.

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Retro Fridge Magnets Snarky T-Shirts Sports Fan T-Shirts Foodie T-Shirts Animal Lover T-Shirts

That's Kewl Rhea or is it Cuil? It's always exciting stuff when you get your first traffic from a new source. They have a long way to go, but like all good things - it takes time.

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Cuil can't even find itself when you search for Cuil. How did these guys get a PR storm going around such crap?

I don't think Cuil is going to like me anytime soon, after this post of mine made it to the top 10 on reddit: http://www.hostscope.com/templature...cuil-after-all/

Maybe Cuil will become something, but I am not holding my breath.

-John.

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Joshua wrote: > "Cuil can't even find itself when you search for Cuil. How did these guys get a PR storm going around such crap?" <

Their strategy appears to have been to issue their press release and grant interviews with reporters before the site went live. Based on the articles I've seen, it's likely that they provided information under an "embargo" in which media outlets agreed not to publish the information until July 28. (For print publications with long print cycles, including weekly and monthly magazines, this is a very common practice; since the internet arose, it's also become a more common practice at daily newspapers.)

Cuil also apparently did not make its site public until July 28, so the reporters could not actually see the product while writing their articles. Instead they could write only about the company's "impressive and credible" history (former employees of Google who had earlier sold search technology to Google).

When I worked as a reporter for monthly and weekly computer magazines (in the 1980s), I was "burned" like this a couple of times. Every publication wants to be "the first" (or at least "not the last") to report on news, and "slower-news-cycle" publications often rely on embargoed information to appear "timely."

In general, I've always believed that when a company "tricks" reporters (as Cuil clearly did), the short-term publicity benefit is far outweighed by the longer-term resentment by reporters. However, when I worked as a reporter (in the 1980s), that "short-term benefit" could last for several weeks, and sometimes even months.

But now Cuil has demonstrated just how short "short-term" is on the internet (just a few hours), and how quickly the "longer-term resentment" can bite.

It's hard to imagine Cuil surviving this debacle -- even if they actually tweak their technology and infrastructure to deliver better-quality search results than Google, they'll need to work ten times harder to get any attention, and many of us will never trust them.

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jrrl wrote: > "I don't think Cuil is going to like me anytime soon, after this post of mine made it to the top 10 on reddit: http://www.hostscope.com/templature...cuil-after-all/" <

Ironically, I cannot load your blog post, apparently due to the same excessive traffic that Cuil suffers.

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The logo thing is terrible and needs to go.

I'm all for innovation, and like a lot of things in what they've done... but having someone elses logo next to your company is just a really clumsy thing to do.

I also searched for "ShareASale" and it returned 0 results. So maybe I'm just not Cuil. Seems like a whole lot of publicity for very little story.

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Nah, your Cuil dawg! SaS will make it to the Cuil results one day and then it's smooth sailing for the SS SaS from there on!

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Cuil uses a crawler named Twicler. If anyone has it blocked in robots.txt that might explain why it's not returning results for their site. A couple of my sites had it blocked and I went in and removed the blocks to give it a chance. http://www.cuil.com/info/webmaster_info/

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It is pretty alarming that a company claiming so much experience with search technology was recently running a rogue robot/crawler. Try searching for "twiceler rogue" on Google to see complaints of abusive, non-compliant activities by Cuil's Twiceler crawler. (For fun, try searching for the same phrase on Cuil, to see how absurd its results are.)

While it appears that the Twiceler crawler is now "compliant" and respects robots.txt, it's disturbing that a company claiming expertise in search would have engaged in abusive crawling so recently.

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Ditto that - I noticed that yesterday as I read through their site and FAQ,s.

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They claim that part of that bad rap is from copy cat crawler.
From the bottom of the page linked above.

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Wow! You just reminded me of a pretty long email conversation I had with one of Cuil's founders last year about the Twiceler bot. Looking back on it, I was sort of a jerk, but Twiceler was driving me absolutely mental. He was really nice about the whole thing though, and the efforts to sort the problems seemed sincere, so I'm glad to hear Twiceler turned out to be a legit bot after all.

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Has no chance of catching on. Besides having no clue of branding, horrible name and bad launch, the simple reason of there is no market for another search engine. Just as there is no market for another cola product. People are pretty satisfied with what they have now and if powerhouse companies such as MSN and Yahoo can barely make a dent in Google, something like this doesn't have a chance. Reminds me of a post I made over 4 years ago, still applies today, will still apply 4 years from now:

http://forum.abestweb.com/showthrea...&highlight=cola

Basic message being there just isn't some outcry out there of people saying, I wish there was a search engine out there that can help me find stuff on the internet. Google works for most people and those who don't like Google for some reason are satisfied with Yahoo or MSN or one of the other little ones out there. What's a new one going to offer that's not already available? If one of them comes up with something new, the big ones will just adopt or buy them up. Plus the whole "power of the brand" deal. You could have a better search engine and people are just comfortable with Google**, there were better ones like Teoma that were supposed to be a Google Killer.

**New Coke vs. Classic. People actually preferred the taste of New Coke but still chose Classic because of that "comfort".

Actually, I am not sure why my server went down, but I really wish I had noticed it (and corrected it) before I left the house for 3 hours. The irony gods just kicked my butt for ripping on Cuil.

-John.

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I don't like the format. Give me a single column page with a hundred results containing concise descriptions and I'm a happy camper. I use the Google cache with it's highlighted search terms almost exclusively and would find Kewl very cumbersome for quick searches...

Don't be so sure T. They said the same thing about the need, desire and market for another car company back in the early 1900's when Ford dominated the market. I think other brands have caught on over the years. LOL

I can recall the same claims back when Apple, Dell, Toshiba etc etc entered the PC market that IBM held a strangle hold on. "Nobody will be able to dent IBM's hold on the pc market" was the pundits CW.

There are thousands of examples of newcomers gaining market share in mass and niche markets for as long as we can trace free enterprise. As an example, just ask coffee and beer manufacturers who used to dominate markets that pundits proclaimed did not need more brands. People like Hills Brothers, Sanka, Folgers, Budweiser, Hamms, Miller, Coors etc. They all now share the market with hundreds of other legitimate brands in their markets. You can offer the very same product that another offers and do well by repackaging it effectively. It's all about the packaging. The other side would then be the substance that follows the pizazz. Google was not a perfect machine upon launch, nor will any new engine be. With time and development that can change.

People also tend to look for the next "new" player in dominated industries when one becomes a major market controller. A "new" face on the block can leverage that human nature into gaining a decent foothold in the market and grow from there.

Cuil has a long way to go, but it is feasible that they can continue to refine and develop their platforms and become a useful player for all of us. #1 is a position one holds until someone comes along and claims it. # 1 may or may not remain # 1 also, but a strong competition from others insures more competitive pricing, customer service, and SE offerings. I have said in many previous posts that eventually, other players will enter the game and compete for market share. Someone may even eventually knock G out of the # 1 spot. Heck, even Ali lost!!

That is the historical benefit of competition that has and will always apply. It's in our best interest that it does also. Competition reduces cost to the end user and for those who advertise that can be a big plus. Individually, Burger King, Wendy's and other chains are not as large as Micky D, but each has a respective market share that keeps Micky's prices and service competitive in the industry.

No leader in any industry today has a guaranteed lifelong deathgrip on that leadership and the sooner that other viable competition emerges, the better the benefits to consumers and business users. Cuil may or may not be the next big success, only time will tell. But I hope for the benefit of advertisers that they do it right. Time will tell.

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So why they need a long Cookie data?

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